stock cut springs better?

kinkyllama · Post by **kinkyllama** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 9:57 pm

I got this tech book for x-mas and i was reading through it.

They said its better to have softer springs handling wise because the keep the tire on the ground better... i think they ment more for street use cuz they say its better for street iregularities (sp).

They claim that its better to cut half a coil off your stock springs.. which will increase the spring rate by about 10%... they said though you should only cut the front springs cuz the spring rate doesnt make much difference.. and cut the front ones to lower the car ONLY for aerodynamics and better handling.

they said they did tests with softer springs and harder springs and neither out performed the other.

This doesnt make sense to me... dont you want stiffer springs for better handling? I guess maybe if you have big strut bars? i dont know...

Post by **PrecisionBoost** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 6:24 am

Well... the stiffer the spring the less body roll there will be. (which obviously helps in handling during cornering)

But with stiffer springs your tires will bounce around when they hit imperfections in the road.

This is why you need APEX springs.... they are progressive springs.

They are very nice and soft for the first inch or two of travel and very quickly get hard.

So they absorb small bumps very nicely (better than stock) and yet when the car is really pushed during a corner the springs provide stiffness to keep the body roll under control.

If however you are cornering hard and you hit a bump it will be harsh... just like a stiffer spring.

The APEX springs are not full out race springs but they are a really nice progressive blend of soft and stiff with a nice transition between.

AcingTeam · Post by **AcingTeam** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 7:12 am

I had cut springs (not anymore), yea they're softer, yea they're bouncier, and yea they're terrible (comparing to Eibach)!! If you hit a bump while taking a corner, as Chris said, your front will start bouncing and the car might even lose traction since not all the wieght is on the front wheels.
I used to hate it, while accelerating, hitting something and from bouncing actually losing acceleration or losing traction on sharp turns.

But then again, half a coil might not be as bad.

CHNDROSE · Post by **CHNDROSE** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:05 pm

They are very nice and soft for the first inch or two of travel and very quickly get hard.

provide stiffness to keep the body roll under control.

We are just discussing springs right? :P :twisted:

Sorry, will go away now.

Rose

daewooluvr · Post by **daewooluvr** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:12 pm

CHNDROSE wrote:
They are very nice and soft for the first inch or two of travel and very quickly get hard.

provide stiffness to keep the body roll under control.
We are just discussing springs right? :P :twisted:

Sorry, will go away now.

Rose

LOL

kinkyllama · Post by **kinkyllama** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:46 pm

Your the biggest perv on here.. shouldnt it be one of us teenage guys?

KnightWalace · Post by **KnightWalace** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 6:44 pm

I dunno... i think after that he took OZ's title.

MMamdouh · Post by **MMamdouh** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:10 am

CHNDROSE wrote:
They are very nice and soft for the first inch or two of travel and very quickly get hard.

provide stiffness to keep the body roll under control.
We are just discussing springs right? :P :twisted:

Sorry, will go away now.

Rose

we are discussing springs indeed but that can apply on other stuff too... LMAO

MMamdouh

Me · Post by Me » Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:33 am

you know if you just cut the springs to the bump stop than itll be nice and firm for you hard guys. but besides that your right the softer springs hold the road softly and the hard springs keep out body roll so you want both.
say your car understeers (if you have a lanos than it does) so the ideal susp. setup would be to have a stiff rear and a soft front which would cancel out the understeer and give a closer to nutreul balance. being that the front grips the inperfections and the rear skips out a tad so if you were to go past your limit you would have a four wheel drift right into a guard rail.
i geuss its not everyones ideal but i like the rear to come out quick to come out faster around cones

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz · Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:56 pm

KnightWalace wrote:I dunno... i think after that he took OZ's title.

HEY!!!

She can't steal my title!!! :mrgreen:

And when did Rose become a HE ??

Rose ... is there something you haven't told us? :P Was the operation successful?

LOL

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Back on topic:
From what I have heard, softer, progressive rate springs and stiffer shicks/struts is the best combination.

I'll find out how my new Apex springs & KYB shocks & struts handle in the not-so-distant future.

Cliff

AcingTeam · Post by **AcingTeam** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:03 pm

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
KnightWalace wrote:I dunno... i think after that he took OZ's title.
HEY!!! She can't steal my title!!! :mrgreen:

And when did Rose become a HE ??

Cliff

I don't know, but in every post he is referred to as a HE, I always found it rather strange... Maybe he's name is Jose and he misspelled it?? lol

CHNDROSE · Post by **CHNDROSE** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:19 pm

Jose? Methinks not. And I am not that big of a perv. Just a little one, honest.

As for the whole HE thing, I think that y'all are just too used to this arena being an all boys club. :P

Rose

MMamdouh · Post by **MMamdouh** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:39 pm

CHNDROSE wrote:Jose? Methinks not. And I am not that big of a perv. Just a little one, honest. As for the whole HE thing, I think that y'all are just too used to this arena being an all boys club. :P

Rose

well... i had the HE\SHE confusion as i recall one of your posts you said something about your Girl Friend so i assumed you are a HE. my bad

MMamdouh

kinkyllama · Post by **kinkyllama** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:30 pm

maybe shes a carpet muncher... or im sorry... and lesbian.. or maybe just bi

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz · Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:33 pm

kinkyllama wrote:maybe shes a carpet muncher... or im sorry... and lesbian.. or maybe just bi

Or perhaps she just uses the term friend in conjunction with girl, as many women do, when talking about their female friends. Many girls I know refer to their female friends as girl friend just so that people know they are not talking about their guy friends.

Cliff