2000 lanos 1.6 Timing marks help

[azlanos]

hi, i found the timing thread very helpfull in the how to thread , but i do have a couple of questions if you dont mind
i have a 2000 lanos 1.6L auto american version... now i am doing the timing belt water pump, i replaced all those along with the idlers,

im installing the belt, i have it on, i aligned the crank and the cam gears an it shows in the picks, now do i follow what was written exactly like it saide on the tutorial, when im doing the "5.Rotate the coolant pump clockwise until the adjust arm pointer of the timing belt automatic tensioner is aligned to the notch in the timing belt automatic tensioner bracket" the crank mark and the firewall cam geam are moving a tooth out of line, so i was conserned about that, so i took the belt off again and got it to where i install the belt, and do all the steps and got to step # "9.Rotate the coolant pump until the adjust arm pointer of the timing belt automatic tensioner is aligned with the pointer on the timing belt automatic tensioner bracket." i did all that and everything is aligned good now and rotated the engine and the picture in step #9 where it shows the pointer on the bottom, mine after doing all those steps and all the timing marks are aligned corectly, it moved up in the middle of the adjusting pointers of step #5 and Step #9. i rotated the engine 2 more full turns, do i need to reloosen the water pump bolts and rotate the water pump ( do step # 9 again)..

i dont know if im overdoing this of i should just follow the tutorial and even if the marks unalign, do the marks realign themselfs when i get to step #9

http://www.daewootech.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2746

sorry for the long question,,,, thanks,

[Daniel]

Hi,
If pointer is moved too far I would recomend you to redo step #9 until everything is correctly aligned. Maybe water pump screws were too much unscrewed?

http://www.gates.com/europe/file_displa ... 419XS1.pdf .

[azlanos]

so i should reloosen the waterpump bolts, rotate the water pump untill i align the pointers on the bottom, tighten the bolts, rotate the engine 2x and see if the ointer stays the same on the bottom and the timing marks are still aligned?????


thanks

[Daniel]

so i should reloosen the waterpump bolts, rotate the water pump untill i align the pointers on the bottom, tighten the bolts, rotate the engine 2x and see if the ointer stays the same on the bottom and the timing marks are still aligned?????


thanks

Yep
Now if pointer moves a tad I would take that

[azlanos]

ok, i put everything back together after religning the pointets, started the car then i get this loud noise coming from the valves,

i reopen the timing covers and totate the crank to align the timing marks and everything is aligned perfectly, along with the pointers, i dont understand this, please help. when i rotate the crank i see the pointer moving counterclock wise less than 1/4 of an inch then i keep rotaing the crank to realign the marks and the pointer lines up good again... this is not the first time i do a water pump timing belt, ive done it on a 2000 mitsubishi galant and it was more comlicated than this.....

[Daniel]

Your settings seems perfect. Pointer moving 1/4" while rotating crankshaft sould not be a problem.
Why did you change cambelt? Preventative maintenance? After a snapping belt?
Can you check compressions?

[azlanos]

i was doing Preventative maintenance, the car has 117k on it and nothing was changed except the belt, the waterpump fins were almost broken and 100% rusted and the front idler was craked in half.....

well now i messed up the engine even more, it seems the first time i installed the belt and aligned the marks everything looked ok, no i started the car but it didnt want to run, just turn oven,,,, i took everything appart and the marks were off by 1 or 2 teeth, so i realigned everything and its ok, now, but when i started the car this time, ( i didnt put the alternator or any of the accesories on just hooked the electricals and put the harmonic balancer on, and started it) now it runs but im getting a loud ticking noise from the valves, i think they are hitting the pistons,,,,,, all the marks are aligned perfect and the pointers too..... did i bend some valves,

do i need to do a compression test to see if i bent any valves???? is that the best way to find out..... im so mad at myself

[Daniel]

Maybe dammage was already there with this broken idler. Compressions test is a way to know if valves are bent. Was this engine in good running condition prior belt change? No oil pressure problem?

[azlanos]

no problems at all with the engine before this...... ill do a compression test this friday

[azlanos]

hi. i just did a compression test , cold engine

#1 160psi
#2 155 psi
#3 155 psi
#4 150 psi

timing marks are correct, why was i getting such loud valve noise, i havent started the car in 3 days now... the car had no problems before, no leaks or anything,,,,

any help ????

[Daniel]

Compressions look fine.

For the loud ticking noise from valve train:
Are the camshafts oily or dry?
Dammaged cam lobe(s)?
Seized valve tappet?
Lack of oil pressure?
Clogged oil filter?
Not the good oil grade?

I'm out of idea now!

Edit: have you checked that the noise is not coming from cambelt area?

[MMamdouh]

this noise could be the lifters... it happens some times when work is done to the head but it is usually when the lifters themselves are being serviced

MMamdouh