Complete System.

KnightWalace · Post by **KnightWalace** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:22 am

I'm thinking of getting 3-5 15" subs, tearing out my backseats and just make my green woo, a Huge Sound and Horsepower machine.

Any thoughts?

scarr · Post by **scarr** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 5:31 am

3-15 15s would probably add around 300lbs to your car after custom box, speakers and amps, plus wiring, and youd also need capacitors or a beefed up alternator

KnightWalace · Post by **KnightWalace** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:04 am

I'm just wondering, Which, What, and how. Lol, that can be done, i'm not worried about the cost, i figure if i'm going to do this woo, i may as well do it right. Wouldn't mind having 1 hell of a fast woo + Sound Winner.

scarr · Post by **scarr** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:09 am

well as far as i know, 3-5 15s would probably require you to remove all the windows in your woo and have custom plexiglass windows installed and sealed because they would more than likely blow the seals on them

my woo has 2 Audiobahn ALUM12Q's powered by a 2000w amp in a bandpass enclosure, currently thinking about removing the backseat and building a custom box that uses the backseat rather than the trunk simply because i hate not having trunkspace

KnightWalace · Post by **KnightWalace** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:21 am

Yea i was going extreme.... i'm figuring only 2 15's or 3 12's... Probably Audiobahn Amp and Subs.
However... i'm thinking of getting Infinity 4", 4"x6", 6"x9"...
the first 2 to replace factory speakers... the last one to add some punch. probably mount them on that flap with the trunk...

Is there a better brand than Infinity?
I've narrowed it down to Infinity or Alpine but i'm open for suggestions.

daewooluvr · Post by **daewooluvr** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:25 pm

scarr wrote: my woo has 2 Audiobahn ALUM12Q's ...

excellent choice

I'm planning on going with 2 Alum10Qs

KnightWalace · Post by **KnightWalace** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:42 pm

any suggestion on the speakers?

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz · Sat Aug 21, 2004 4:21 am

Ok ... I will suggest you join this forum:
www.CarAudioForum.com
You will learn a lot there if you read posts and ask questions.

I know Shaun is a fan of Audiobahn, so I won't shoot them down too much. :P

Audiobahn can get very loud, but do not have a reputation for the best sound quality.
Their quality is getting better with time and engineering/build advances, but are known to be more flash than sound quality. Car audio sales people will swear up & down how wonderful they are, but as you know what a sales rep's job is, that is to get the sale.

Also, stay away from premade band pass speaker enclosure.
Bandpass boxes, unless designed and built EXACTLY for the subs you are using WILL sound like crap to anyone that knows what to listen for. I am referring to audio competition judges.

Ported boxes will allow more sound output at lower wattage levels and, if built properly, will allow deeper notes to be reproduced.
Audiophiles will, for the most part, agree properly tuned/ported enclosures have the best sound quality reproduction.
As an example, my box for a single 15" sub is 5.2 cubic feet of internal air volume after displacement of the sub, port and the box bracing.

Sealed boxes can take more wattage to yield the same dB levels, but are less efficient because the cone can not move due to the pressure & vacuum created in the sealed box. Sealed boxes also require less cubic air volume than sealed boxes.

Remember, if you want a sealed box, it has to be COMPLETELY sealed. No cracks, no screw holes throug the side of the box, no leaking around the sub cut-out hole ... nothing. If the box is not completely sealed, it will not work as well.
Some people spray truck bed liner into their sealed boxes, others coat the whole box inside with silicone caulk. If you use caulk, remember to let it completely cure before installing the sub. Some subs use a surround that can be deteriorated by the solvent that is released as the caulk dries. This leads to an early death of the sub caused by the cone breaking away from the basket.

Audio equipment and it's proper installation is heavy.
Sound + speed are not the best partners.

Speed likes less weight.
Sound likes acoustically dead enclosures which are inherrantly heavy.

People will argue about capacitors, but if you build your system correctly, they are unnecessary.
Upgrade your wiring, espeically under the hood, where it is most often forgotten.
1) Alternator positive output to battery positive output: 4ga
2) Battery netagive to body: 4ga
3) Body to engine block

An SVR or an Optima yellow top sealed battery make an excellent replacement if you are upgrading the audio system. SVR batteries have better recharge/discharge charractoristics than Optima, but they Optima are still very good, and MUCH better than a stock lead/acid battery.

Sound deadening is wonderful. If done properly, there is no buzzing or ratteling from the car body and increased dB levels inside the car due to more sound waves being reflected back into the car and not being absorbed and lost as mechanical vibration into the body of the car.
It also helps with a very noticable increase in audible sound quality.

There is just so much on this subject ... LOL

Go check out that forum and learn some stuff before diving into an audio project.

BTW, if you are interested, the stock Lanos alternator produces 85 amps output.

Cliff

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz · Sat Aug 21, 2004 4:28 am

KnightWalace wrote:any suggestion on the speakers?

Brands I would suggest:

High end:
Adire (not well known, but amazing)
CDT
MB Quart
Infinity
Rainbow (also not well known)
JL Audio

Pioneer are quite good, too.

Sony has gone down hill over the last few years. They used to be a lot better, but have sacrificed mass production output quantity for quality. They are selling on their old reputation and name.

Stay away from Pyramid, Legacy, Boss, and junk like that.

Cliff

KnightWalace · Post by **KnightWalace** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:13 am

So Infinity are good subs? Ok, then they'll get my vote. If not them I'll hit up those adires.... what about interior speakers. Stock Speakers suck. For the Most part. Any other suggestions.... and Oz, if i go thru with this, i'm coming to the Ozville Residence and getting a hand.

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz · Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:32 am

KnightWalace wrote:So Infinity are good subs? Ok, then they'll get my vote. If not them I'll hit up those adires.... what about interior speakers. Stock Speakers suck. For the Most part. Any other suggestions.... and Oz, if i go thru with this, i'm coming to the Ozville Residence and getting a hand.

Oh .. LOL ... I was suggesting those brands for the full range speakers, not the subs, although Adire makes some of the best power & SQ subs available. The Adire Koda 6'5" component speakers are really good.

For subs:
JL Audio also have some of the best subs available, but Adire Brahmas are almost 1/2 price of the JL (12W7 & 13W7) and preform just about on par, so price for perfoamance you can't go wrong.

Infinity subs sound good, but can't take a lot of power like some of the other suggestions on here.

I would also like to suggest Resinant Engineering subs ... yummy.
http://www.respl.com/ (site is down for reconstruction right now, sorry)
The RE XXX will implode your heart, pop your eyeballs, move all the hair on your body, break your window glass and still sound good doing it. LOL

Adire http://www.adireaudio.com
Memphis
DD (also very good) http://www.ddaudio.com/dd/default.asp
The square Kicker subs will displace a lot of air, too ... more dBs

Cliff

AcingTeam · Post by **AcingTeam** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:23 pm

KnightWalace wrote:.... and Oz, if i go thru with this, i'm coming to the Ozville Residence and getting a hand.

You mean a hand job? You pervert lol

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz · Sat Aug 21, 2004 8:56 pm

hahahahaha

daewooluvr · Post by **daewooluvr** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:15 pm

Yeah Cliff, you can stop by my place on the way up. I'm right on the way to KnightWalace's place.

KnightWalace · Post by **KnightWalace** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:23 pm

I'm glad i haven't had the internet. Acing.... Wow.