Rebuilt Turbo Engines

[PrecisionBoost]

Hi guys.... I allways see everyone on here talking about more power and wanting to turbo their vehicles but it seems like some of you lack the know how to do such a swap.

What if I provided "ready to drop in" turbo engines that have been dyno tested and tuned with a standalone or piggyback engine management system.

Basicly there would be 1.6L , 2.0L 8V, 2.0L 16V and 2.2L 16V engines.

Obviously the prices would depend upon the core charges.

The 2.0L 8V is obviously the cheapest engine to get but it's heavier and requires a bit more work to get it to work with the stock wiring.

Another option is to sell the entire drivetrain.... so there would be a new performance clutch and limited slip differencial for the manuals and an uprated auto tranny for those who want an automatic.

Basicly I would make the stock harness plug into the standalone system.

This type of "plug and play" engine could be installed in a few hours by a certified mechanic (or you can take your chances and do it yourself)

Of course each engine type would also have options of upgraded components such as connecting rods and pistons to ensure that you have troublefree operation for several years.

One thing to keep in mind with high performance engines is that the "lifetime" of the engine is quite a bit shorter..... instead of getting 10 years out of your stock engine you might only get 5 years before some rebuilding will be requried.

Anyways..... I just thought I'd see if this was an interesting idea for any of you.... in many cases the "turbo engine" could be sold for close to what you would pay for a "custom" turbo install.

[PrecisionBoost]

another thought would be the idea of importing C20LET engines from Europe with converted 6spd F28 gear boxes.

I will see what I can come up with for a price estimate for various combinations.

[tango]

Way to go Erfinder!

[PrecisionBoost]

I'm just going to guess and say that a 1.6L turbo engine making something in the range of 140 WHP (say 170 at the crank) would be around $5000 CDN which is around $4200 USD.

If the original engine was returned in good condition there would be a refund of $650 USD

If the engine was damaged via timing belt snapping then there would be a refund around $350 to $400 depending on condition.

So... if you sent me a working 1.6L afterwards (or before if you want the same engine back) you would get the following parts for $3550...

Rebuilt 1.6L DOHC engine with a complete intercooled T3 turbo setup
Adjustable fuel pressure regulator
Piggyback computer system
Plug and play wiring system
Low compression pistons
New rings and bearings
New gaskets
New timing belt components
Performance ignition system (MSD)
Instruction manuals for installation (video and booklet)
1 year parts and service warranty

I don't know if this setup would require a larger fuel pump so I didn't take that into consideration at this point.

If you wanted more power it would probably cost another $1500 to replace the connecting rods, most of the bolts and up the quality of the pistons and rings.... I'd guess that $5000 USD would get you something in the range of 200WHP (240hp at the crank)

Of course then there is the installation..... with a plug and play setup and step by step instruction video most people would be capable of doing the work themselves..... I'd guess that a local shop would want several hundred dollars for the removal of the old engine and installation of the new one..... and then there is the installation of the intercooler..... which should be relatively easy and would probably require the removal of the front bumper.

Then there is shipping..... which would probably be somewhere between $300 and $700 depending on your location in the USA (Florida being the most expensive)

I suppose another option would be for me to drive the engine to your location and install it..... which would save on shipping charges and labor for a mechanic.

It would most likely take a day or two before a working product is installed.

Don't hold me to these numbers they could be far less or far more.... this is just a guess.

[PrecisionBoost]

A 2.0L 8V could make way more horsepower for less money than the 1.6L turbo setup.

First off the 2.0L 8V engine are easy to find and there are plenty of parts to be found all over north america.

Stock the 2.0L 8V made about 165hp 175lb ft from 7psi of Non-intercooled turbopressure.

I'm sure that a 2.0L 8V could be made to push 170 WHP (204hp at crank) and 215lb ft of torque with minimal effort.

I'd estimate the cost for one of these ready to go engines rebuilt, intercooled and dyno tuned to be in around $3200 USD (with all the upgraded electronics and plug and play interface)

2.0L 16V cores would be worth $800 if they are in running condition.

I don't know if I would take 1.6L cores in on trade for a 2.0L core.... it depends on how much interest there is in the 1.6L engines.

[PrecisionBoost]

Another thing that should be mentioned is the clutch.... it will definitly have to be upgraded during the swap..... and that is something that would have to be purchased separately.

I don't know how much it would be for an all out crazy 300WHP C20LET but I'm guessing it would be under $10,000

There are so many options...... the price totally depend on what you want.

Upgrades to the valvetrain can be costly.... but there are kits to make the C20LET heads run at 12,000 RPM

That is allways another option..... I could import a bunch of C20LET parts such as connecting rods and cylinder heads to keep the cost of shipping from the UK/Europe down.

[PrecisionBoost]

Another question you guys might have is if it would be reliable.... and honestly.... I don't have much time to assemble it myself..... so the engine work would be subcontracted to well respected performance engine shops in my area.

As such I think the engines would be top notch quality.

Of course I would have to say that anyone increasing the power levels beyond what was specified in the order would have their warranty cancelled.

I would design the engines to be reliable..... sure you could take that 140WHP 1.6L and crank up the boost so it makes 180WHP but you would risk breaking the weak areas of the engine (such as the connecting rods)

Perhaps the power levels don't seem specacular but a stock Lanos probably only makes 85WHP so 140WHP is a very significant increase (65WHP)

I think a Lanos would go like hell with 140WHP..... and I think you would have a hell of a time hooking up power from a C20LET without an upgraded transmission and limited slip differencial.

[PrecisionBoost]

Anyways..... I'm open to opinions about power, price and the whole idea in general.

[FaWEeToO]

thanks for the info. i have a question though...

now the C20LET is the 16V with 204HP and 140WHP, right?

there is in front of me an offer of a full swap (tranny included)

for 2000$ installed and running, with a 1 yr warrantee


reasonable or a rip off?

[Efratech]

dont u think that the 1.6 could give more than 140 whp with that spec?

[daewooluvr]

dont u think that the 1.6 could give more than 140 whp with that spec?

I think his numbers are off... 204hp at the crank would generate alot more at the wheels.

[Efratech]

Well i asked because Erfinder said 140whp *around 170 at the crank*...

for that sort of power i prefer to use some nice rods to turn up the boost a little bit.

He also said is an option. But if i were u i would not build the 140 whp 1.6, is easy to turn up the boost and break the stock rods.

with only 2 weeks of having mine back with 135whp i got used to it. that will happen with the 140 whp engine.

Efrain.

[delphis]

how much would it be to get the 1.6 turboed with the upgraded drivetrain and the upgraded rods and what not so I could increase the boost?

[PrecisionBoost]

thanks for the info. i have a question though...
now the C20LET is the 16V with 204HP and 140WHP, right?
there is in front of me an offer of a full swap (tranny included)
for 2000$ installed and running, with a 1 yr warrantee
reasonable or a rip off?

The Stock C20LET should produce around 170WHP and $2000 installed for a used stock engine is a decent price.... a used C20LET engine should be worth $800 to $1500 depending on condition.

You should be able to turn up the boost and get more power from the stock engine.... I'm not sure how much the turbo is capable of producing.... the best resource for info on this would be a UK Astra forum.

[FaWEeToO]

thanks for the fast reply man

noe thats what i was trying to find... a UK Astra forum. any help guys?