how about SVT?

AcingTeam · Post by **AcingTeam** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:41 am

Hi,
This crazy thought just came to my mind... Can Focus' SVT engine be swapped instead of the lanos'? It has 170hp stock... that'd be a super improvement.

daewooluvr · Post by **daewooluvr** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:56 pm

of course it can, given enough time and money, you can swap anything into anything, however is it worth it? I think not.

Post by **PrecisionBoost** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 4:50 am

Why on earth would you want to use a Focus SVT engine?

How about something more interesting like the engine out of the Honda S2000

Or.... how about a 6cyl from a Toyota Supra Twin Turbo? (now that would be a cool swap.... turn your car into a 1000hp RWD monster)

The stock 2.0L engine is capable of 170hp ( naturally aspirated )

You just need some C20XE pistons to raise the compression and fool with the fuel map via an aftermarket fuel management computer.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the C20XE usually puts out 150hp stock... so it should be easy to make 170hp to 190hp (although this would require spending some hard earned cash)

AcingTeam · Post by **AcingTeam** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:48 pm

Erfinder wrote:Why on earth would you want to use a Focus SVT engine?

Because all the others you listed are more expensive + require a lot of modification. Also, because Focus SVT's are super fast.

daewooluvr · Post by **daewooluvr** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 4:04 pm

AcingTeam wrote:because Focus SVT's are super fast.

LOL

you must not know what fast really is then...

Post by **PrecisionBoost** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:31 pm

AcingTeam wrote: Because all the others you listed are more expensive + require a lot of modification. Also, because Focus SVT's are super fast.

Uhhh.... the 150hp C20XE is a direct bolt in....and they have been used in Europe/UK for over 10 years so you can buy used ones..... you could probably have one installed in your car for a couple of grand if you were "thrifty" with your money.

Realisticly an SVT Focus engine install would probably be $10,000 + (if your lucky).... as would an S2000 or a Supra Engine swap.

You would need totally custom engine mounts, a Ford transmission with totally custom mounts, custom drive shafts, custom wiring and ECU and about four trillion other things.

This is all assuming you don't have to do major unibody frame work to make it fit and that the engine and tranny won't interfere with things like the brake cylinder, clutch cylinder and all the other components going in and out of the firewall

I'm not trying to put you down or anything.... most people don't understand the huge undertaking this type of project would require.... so although you might think it's easy it's not.

If your a certified mechanic with good fabrication skills then you could probably get it done for a couple of grand over a month or two of work....but getting it done by someone else would be really really expensive.

Why swap engines that aren't part of the same engine family.

There is some dude out there with a C20LET (European 2.0L 16V Turbo) pushing 600hp....and yes... this will bolt up to the factory mounts and transmission of your Lanos/Nubira/Leganza.

The guy probably dumped $8K to $15K into his engine and it's hard to say how long the engine will function at that kind of power but it just proves that this C20/U20/T20 series engine can take just about any power level.

And just for the record.... a stock Dodge Neon SRT-4 would destroy an SVT Focus without even breathing hard.

I'm not a fan of Dodge but I must give credit to their SRT team.... they really hit a home run with the SRT-4.

daewooluvr · Post by **daewooluvr** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 5:42 am

yeah I got a ride in a nicely modded SRT4 the other night. Those cars pull HARD. It was fun listening to the BOV.

Post by **PrecisionBoost** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 5:50 am

I haven't been in one (since I hate Dodge vehicles...especially the Neon) but I'd have to say their engine is pretty sweet.... especially with all the additional MOPAR add ons.

I wish they had put that engine into something cooler.... I just can't get over the fact that it's a Neon.

They should have put it in the Stratus Coupe.... anything but the Neon

AcingTeam · Post by **AcingTeam** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 4:11 pm

Maybe I don't know what fast really is. But I do know that ALL daewoos out there are SLOW (non-turbocharged ones). I used to have a '95 Ford Contour V6 5spd manual. The thing had 170hp stock and it did 15.9sec 1/4 mile @ 90mph. That thing was pretty quick.
Also, srt4 is turbocharged (230hp) and Focus SVT isn't (170hp). So if only Focus had a turbocharger it would smoke the srt4 since it's lighter and the power would be equivelant...

Wolf-Spirit · Post by **Wolf-Spirit** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 9:55 am

lol focus fast?... great joke there

saying all lanos are slow? well ok granted we dont have a faster one then the 1.6 but focus only has the SVT whit power rest are also crap on power.... if ya compare 1.6lanos and 1.6 focus i beat the focus on my lanos.... so yay woohoo focus has a moderate faster engine in one.... great.. now get me a leggy or a kadet GSI engine mod it a bit and smoke that focus easy

AcingTeam · Post by **AcingTeam** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 3:31 pm

well first of all... Focus' doesn't come with 1.6L Engine.
second of all..... Compare 1.6L 105HP Lanos to 2.0L 170HP Focus
Even know it is a Ford, it's pretty quick (0-60: 7sec 1/4: high 15's)
I have not seen a lanos, other than Maximus' turbocharged one do a 15sec 1/4 mile.

Brian5475E · Post by **Brian5475E** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 4:09 pm

well to let you guys know my cousin just bought a 04 focus. Sweet car. The SVT with the 2.0 has 165 hp stock at the flywheel. The premium package (which my cousin got ZX3 model) has the 2.3 mazda engine which has 155 Hp at the fly wheel. he ran his car at the track and ran a 15.4 guess what I'm saying is a contour with 170 hp running 15.9 with a v-6 and 5 speed is pretty sh!tty. hell my 85 supra with a wimpy 5MGE with only 155hp at the flywheel ran a 15.2. Need to have that contour checked out

Post by **Efratech** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 5:07 pm

AcingTeam wrote:well first of all... Focus' doesn't come with 1.6L Engine.
second of all..... Compare 1.6L 105HP Lanos to 2.0L 170HP Focus
Even know it is a Ford, it's pretty quick (0-60: 7sec 1/4: high 15's)
I have not seen a lanos, other than Maximus' turbocharged one do a 15sec 1/4 mile.

The 1.6 Lanos vs. 170 HP 2.0 Focus is not fair...

lets drop from our Opel/Vauxhall cousin a C20XE (2.0 16v 150 HP-140lb.ft torque, a 1989 DESING) on the lanos an i bet you have a fair fight...

or even easier a C/T/U20SED (2.0 nubira, lacetti, leganza) with C20XE pistons (compresion 10.8:1) on a Lanos...

now its even 2.0 vs 2.0... i bet the lanos is lighter than the focus... so the 20hp diference will mean nothing...

im not saying it will be it... but it will be a FAIR fight...

BTW... i dont drive a lanos but my best time is 15.4 (with 50 hp of nos)

Wolf-Spirit · Post by **Wolf-Spirit** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 7:58 pm

.. Well 2nd of all a focus does have a 1.6.. dno about US or wherever but in EU (belgium) focus comes whit a 1.6 16v wich is about same power as lanos on paper and loses from my lanos (wih is a fair fight then 1.6 on 1.6)

BosnianLanos · Post by **BosnianLanos** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 8:58 pm

Ford=P.O.S

And I'm speaking from experience.

Had a Ford that died at 80,000 Miles. And now I have a '99 Lanos with 177,000 miles going strong as hell.

Intrestingly enough, the Lanos seems better now than when it was new. And it is all original, one engine, tranny, etc. And could easily beat the pants off of my Dad's brand new Civic.

Talk of Ford being good gets me flustered :twisted:. I'm stickin' with Daewoo.