Opinions on this....

Post by **PrecisionBoost** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:08 pm

Just heading out for my vacation.... I thought I'd coment on the turbo...

100hp shouldn't be a problem... but it's hard to say if the engine will take that kind of power over the long term.

If you don't mind putting in a engine (or rebuilding your existing one) you could probably do 200hp (at the crank).

It's allways a trade off.... power vs longevity

I'm sure I can make a 600hp 2.0L turbo but how long will it last.... a few weeks.... a few months.... who knows.... could go boom after a couple of days.

KnightWalace · Post by **KnightWalace** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 3:50 am

yea. With the Kia though i'd change and redo the complete engine components before i drop a turbo in. They have the parts already so... makes my life easier.

AcingTeam · Post by **AcingTeam** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 7:28 am

Why go for kia then? They also have parts available... a lot more then for kia... for Civics/Integras/Eclipses etc.

KnightWalace · Post by **KnightWalace** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:30 am

everyone and their mother has those cars... i just drove a Kia Spectra the other day.... Wow....

1st i want that daewoo... but if they won't budge... i'm going ot go for the spectra... maybe a tC... but i don't even know whats going to happen so don't quote me.

DomWoo · Post by **DomWoo** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:14 am

ill tell you what, the other day i raced a brand new Kia Spectra and i smoked him off the line and kept him back until about 60 MPH then he pulled away, i dont know if it was the fact that he actaully went faster then me or my G/F beating the shit out of me for going 60 in a 30mph zone

KnightWalace · Post by **KnightWalace** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 6:52 am

Like i said... i still want the daewoo... but for now the spectras cheaper...

daewooluvr · Post by **daewooluvr** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:39 pm

2000 Kia Spectra
1.8L I4
125hp @ 5800 RPM
125lb-ft @ 4000 RPM
Displacement (cc) 1794
Bore X Stroke (in.) 3.11 X 3.60
Compression Ratio 10.0:1
Curb Weight - Manual (lb.) 2575

vs.

2000 Daewoo Lanos
1.6L I4
105hp @ 5800 RPM
106lb-ft @ 3000 RPM
Displacement (cc) 1599
Bore X Stroke (in.) 3.01 X 3.43
Compression Ratio 10.0:1
Curb Weight - Manual (lb.) 2447 (hatch)

Depending on the gearing of a Spectra, a stock Spectra should very well beat a lanos but it would be close.

It's a close call, at least they're both Korean cars

KnightWalace · Post by **KnightWalace** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:53 am

Yea the spectra is a lil more powerful. However when i said if i buy "New" i might just go with the spectra. The new 2.0l Engines are putting out i believe 138hp.

ENGINE Spectra LX and Spectra EX
Type In-line 4-cylinder, iron block and aluminum head
Valve DOHC, four valves per cylinder, (CVVT)
Displacement 1,975 cc
Compression ratio 10.1:1
Horsepower (SAE net) 138 bhp @ 6,000 rpm, 132 @ 6,000 rpm (SULEV)*
Torque (SAE net) 136 lb.-ft. @ 4,500 rpm, 133 @ 4,500 rpm (SULEV)
Transmission 5-speed manual, overdrive
Electronically controlled 4-speed automatic, overdrive

CURB WEIGHT Spectra LX and Spectra EX
5-speed manual 2,701 lbs. - 2,826 lbs.
4-speed automatic 2,767 lbs. - 2,829 lbs.

Is it what i want.... no i want the daewoo Lanos Sport. But for the 4850 price tag, a spectra, the faster and more easily upgradeable of the 2, is cheaper.

KnightWalace · Post by **KnightWalace** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 4:58 pm

Efrain got me thinking..... say i get the lanos sport. I'm not paying over $3500 for it.... and if that is the case... i'm keeping mine

I'll take mine off the insurance, and just rip out the entire engine.... grab a Nubira engine (2.0 right?) drop a Better Clutch and Flywheel in along with a More powerful manual tranny....

I'm looking for a turbo application.

I want to drop a turbo/intercooler/CAI/more powerful Engine(rebuild the engine also.)

It would be cool to have a 300hp or even a 260 hp lanos HB.

If I drop the Nubira engine in... how much is this going to run me... about.

daewooluvr · Post by **daewooluvr** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:53 pm

an engine swap in any car can get expensive.

Do enough research and you'll find all the parts that you'll need to make it as smooth as possible.
However there is still on cruitial component that you're missing here and porbably the most expensive. Enging Mangement. The stock ECU was not programmed to handle boost. I would suggest a standalone ecu as it would be fully tunable.

KnightWalace · Post by **KnightWalace** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:27 am

I found a Nubira Engine local ($600 for 10k miles), and a tranny(5 spd. 7k miles, $750) where do u suggest i'd go from there shaun?

daewooluvr · Post by **daewooluvr** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:54 pm

Well that all depends on what your goals are.

If you want max performance you're going to want to tear down the block, install forged internals, and possibly sleeves. Get some head work done and install a nice big turbo system.

Again like I said with turbocharging the 2.0, engine management is going to be a nightmare. Make sure you do plenty of research before you jump into it.

KnightWalace · Post by **KnightWalace** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 1:53 am

Not to milk you brain dry,

1) why would the ECU be so difficult?
2) i Figured i'd rebuild the block with forged everything, sleeves?
3) If i do get a Turbo, what kind.... i'm figuring a T3/T4 is too big.

daewooluvr · Post by **daewooluvr** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 1:57 pm

KnightWalace wrote:Not to milk you brain dry,

1) why would the ECU be so difficult?
2) i Figured i'd rebuild the block with forged everything, sleeves?
3) If i do get a Turbo, what kind.... i'm figuring a T3/T4 is too big.

1. the ECU in the Lanos/Nubi/Leggy is set in stone, there is no adjusting/chipping it without spending major $$$ to get it done professionally. You can use an SAFC for low boost settings but judging from your 250-300whp goal, you wont be going for low boost. You would need a standalone system. The reason for this is because the stock fuel and ignition maps will not be sufficient to make this ammount of power.
2. Sleeving is where you basically put a forged wall inside the piston chambers.
3. again, this all depends on your goals. A T25 should get you to 200hp, T28 will most likely get you to 275, T3 probably just over the 300 mark, and so on. These are just guestimates since there is no way of telling how much power these turbos will make on a daewoo engine until you actually do it.

Again, the most important thing about a turbo setup is doing it safely so you don't blow it up.

scarr · Post by **scarr** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:27 pm

Looking at the price they are quoting you for that, I seem to have lucked out.. I got my 2000 Lanos 3dr for around $1250 total TT&L, albeit is an automatic, still looking for a manual, I think I've seen one other Lanos in my area and it's owned by some old grandma so I'm sure its an automatic also.