Plans for making my car a bit faster

[Mike]

http://www.kalecoauto.com/perf.htm

[asam]

okay say what ever you guys want, but last time I checked very few of you know what cfm stands for. The tornado does work. they have been using similar things in drag racing for years (NHRA). They used inserts in their carborators. This principal goes way back to rifleing which helps an object(air) move straighter and faster. But several studies have been done on this and unless you have done one shut up and try it, you will be suprised.

[TheGreatAndPowerfulOz]

... But several studies have been done on this ...

Please find and post links to actual technical data on the use of this item.
Do not post links to advertising that describes what it does while trying to sell this item.

Sales information and actual technical data are two different things.

Anyone can write anything they want when trying to sell a product if it sounds technical so that people will buy into it and spend their money.

Just think, the guy who invented the beer helmet is now a millionaire, but all he did was rivit 2 plastic car drink holders to a plastic hard hat, add some clear plastic tubing that cost a total of $5 to complete each one and then resold them for $9.99.
The good thing about the beer helmet is, you can actually use it and it functions as described! LOL

If you re-read my posts about the Tornado thing, I *NEVER* said it didn't work, I only said I can not understand how it is supposed to do what it claims when given WHAT it is, HOW it is made, and WHAT it is supposed to do. Having been working on cars since the late 1970's and seen a LOT of gimicks that end up not working as they claim, such as the magnetic fuel line ion reorganizer (LOL) that clamps around your fuel line and is supposed to give you 30% more efficient fuel by the time it reaches the carbs or injectors, I am skeptical as to the claims this Tornado product claims.

Again, I said that it may very well in fact work as it claims, and that I have not used one, but logically thinking about HOW it claims to work, it just does not make sence.

... This principal goes way back to rifleing which helps an object(air) move straighter and faster....

Rifeling, as far as I knew, was not to move air, but to put a twist on a bullet as it traveled down the length of a gun barrel. How far back does rifeling go? The oldest known gun with barrel rifeling was made circa 1550AD for Emperor Maximilion of Austria.

... but last time I checked very few of you know what cfm stands for ...

When did you check?
I do not remember a poll held here on the forum and did not find anything like it when I checked with the search function.

To which CFM acronym were you referring?

CFM Certified In Financial Management
CFM Cold Fusion Mark-Up (file extension)
CFM Cubic Feet per Minute
CFM Candle Flames in Microgravity
CFM Career Field Manager (USAF)
CFM Cathode Follower Mixer
CFM Cell Fault Model
CFM Center For Musikpsykologi (International Center for Music Psychology)
CFM Central Flow Management (Air Traffic Control)
CFM Centralized Freight Management
CFM Ceramic Face Mask
CFM Cerebral Function Monitor
CFM Certified Facilities Manager
CFM Certified Fleet Manager
CFM Certified Floodplain Manager
CFM Chicago Federation of Musicians
CFM Christian Family Movement
CFM Christian Federation of Malaysia
CFM Citizens for Midwifery
CFM Cleanroom Face Mask
CFM Club de Futbol Monterrey (Mexico)
CFM Code Fragment Manager
CFM Coggeshall Farm Museum
CFM Commercial Fan Motor (european aircraft turbine engine)
CFM Communications and Multimedia Consumer Forum of Malaysia
CFM Computational Fluid Mechanics
CFM Computer f?r Menschen Gmbh (German company for scanner drivers and software)
CFM Confirm (logging abbreviation)
CFM Confirm(ed)
CFM Conselho Federal de Medicina (Brazil)
CFM Contamination-Free Manufacturing
CFM Contingency For Movement
CFM Continuous Fetal Monitoring
CFM Continuous Flow Manufacturing
CFM Contract Funds Management (module)
CFM Contractor-Furnished Material
CFM Controls Finalization Meeting
CFM CONUS Freight Management
CFM Copy For Me
CFM Critical Function Monitoring
CFM Cross Flow Micro-Filtered (whey protein isolate)
CFM Crossfire Magazine (paintball)
CFM Cumbria Frequency Modulation (radio station)
CFM Customer Feedback Management
CFM Customer Financial Management
CFM Customer Furnished Material

:P



Yes, that Tornado thing just might work, but I haven't seen any results and have never tried it. If I get a chance to try one (without purchasing it), I will.

Cliff

[Wolf-Spirit]

lol oz you know to much lol...

but still how can twisting air get more cfm?

[Mike]

unless you have done one shut up.

Have you? If not, take your own advise.

[Mike]

http://www.wcpo.com/wcpo/localshows/don ... 17ff5.html

In this article below.. Pat Goss (PBS Motorweek mechanic) says the product is crap. So does the government.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... ay3_4.html

Consumer Reports calls it junk. See the article below for details

http://www.consumerreports.org/main/det ... _id=113261

[KnightWalace]

okay say what ever you guys want, but last time I checked very few of you know what cfm stands for. The tornado does work. they have been using similar things in drag racing for years (NHRA). They used inserts in their carborators. This principal goes way back to rifleing which helps an object(air) move straighter and faster. But several studies have been done on this and unless you have done one shut up and try it, you will be suprised.

The Rifling was not done for any speed as far as i know, They were worried about Accuracy. A bullet moving in a rotation would cut through air mor efficient, not to mention once the stopped using balls. Now, as for the Tornado, don't get me wrong i've done a little research as i was planning it, even if it is like rifling, there is no object being propelled, except air. However this may make it into a vortex, unless it is FORCING air in there it's not going to make it more efficient.

[asam]

rifling is for straight shoting. last time i checked none of you had a straight intake. so if you could make a curved pipe act as one that was straight u would have more power. Also mike when was the last time u have been a real car or for that matter even raced. I have been racing for years in a 79' Nova. All you need is to go back to the basics. Products like this have been around for years.(http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Prod ... ogId-10101) Air flows better in a vortex. The Tornado's airflow dynamics creates a swirling, fast-burn effect in the combustion chamber. This creates finer particles (atomized fuel), allowing better flame propagation and more complete combustion. What ever you want to believe thogh. "Don't make judgements on what you have heard, The truth comes from what have experienced."

[TheGreatAndPowerfulOz]

Air flows better in a vortex. The Tornado's airflow dynamics creates a swirling, fast-burn effect in the combustion chamber.

Again, how does the vortex in the intake end up creating a vortex in the combustion chamber AFTER it has to change it's air flow pattern in order to pass through the intake valves into the combustion chamber?

The ONLY ways to create a vortex inside the combustion chamber are:

1) The shape of the top of the cyllinder head.
2) The ignition spark pattern. Dual sparkplug heads with a delayed ignition between the two are an efficient way to create more swirl and burn more of the mixture.
3) The shape of the intake port on the inside of the head which determines the pattern of the mixture as it enters the combustion chamber.

The air swirl pattern inside the intake is immaterial.
The Lanos, for example, has a snail-shaped intake manifold which redirects the air into the head, so no matter what the air pattern is inside the tube between the filter & the intake manifold, it will get changed and then directed into the head.

Again, as I have never tried one of these Tornado items, it just may have a positive effect. There are things that 'just work' even when they can not be fully explained scientifically.

The link from JC Whitney that you posted: http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Prod ... ogId-10101
acts as a spacer between the throttlebody and the intake manifold so there is more distance for the air & fuel to mix more completely before it passes the valves and enters the combustion chamber. A mixture that is mixed more completely will effectivly give a more complete burn and thus more horsepower. The swirl in the throttle body spacer looks like it is a sales gimmick.
Remember, companies selling things will try to hype up a product with it's description just so they get more sales.


Cliff

[Mike]

The Tornado's airflow dynamics creates a swirling, fast-burn effect in the combustion chamber.

Hmm.... so... in all cars, this swirling can continue all the way to the combustion chamber? The shape of the intake manifold cannot disrupt this "vortex" before it gets to the combustion chamber?


Looks like Oz already covered the point.

[Mike]

Also mike when was the last time u have been a real car or for that matter even raced. I have been racing for years in a 79' Nova. All you need is to go back to the basics.

What are you 18? 19?

A 79 Nova... ? "Hey everybody I have been racing for years in a 1978 Granada"

I don't feel the need to prove anything to you. I have worked on cars for about 17 years now. From simple oil changes to engine swaps, transmission swaps and engine rebulds. However, I am here to learn and share info, not bicker with some teenager about if a reshaped tin can stuffed in an air intake tube could actually do anything for increasing the economy or performance of any vehicle.

[AcingTeam]

There's no need for arguing over this... stop the violence!! lol

Let's just all try it, it's not very expensive, and compare the results.

[Mike]

There's no need for arguing over this... stop the violence!! lol

Let's just all try it, it's not very expensive, and compare the results.

I wasn't going to mention it... I was dumb enough to buy this thing about 4 years ago. I had a 1998 Ford Escort. No change in power, and most importantly absolutley no change in economy.

But hey if you have the $$ try it out. Not that big of a $$ risk.

[TheGreatAndPowerfulOz]

The best cheap mod I have personally used, and was impressed by (so far) is taking the stock air filter box off and putting on a $25 cone filter.

As of yet, I have not even installed anything BUT the filter.
It is attached directly to the end of the stcok flexable rubber intake pipe. There is no SRI pipe installed yet.

My dad (who is almost 70) liked the HP gain so much, he had me buy one for his Lanos and install it. LOL ... He said there is such a noticable change that it feels almost like a different car.

Hey ... spend the $$ and try the Tornado, you never know, it just MAY work for you. If it does, great! If not, return it and get your money back. No harm done.


Cliff