still having the same problem help

zerosilence · Post by **zerosilence** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:33 am

my daewoo is still having the same no start problem. i installed the spark plugs. the plugs that were in there were curoded and black. which means i think the car was running lean(i think). anyway the problem im having is when i try to start the car it wont turn over. a couple of days ago i ran a obdII check and ran p0112 i replaced the sencer and still nothing. i ran another obd check and i had no code. and at the same time my house computer doesnt work. i think its eather my cpu or motherboard. its kinda hard to descriobe the problem with my car. if maybe a moderator acing team or daewoomofo could help or pm me their # it would help me a lot. thanks

Josh

Spider · Post by **Spider** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:36 pm

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"if maybe a moderator or acing team or daewoomofo could help or pm me their # it would help me a lot. thanks"

Does this disqualify anyone else that would like to help you ?

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Here is some spark plug 'reading' 411
(take it or leave it)

Plugs with white spots and burned electrodes=lean
Plugs that look new=lean
Plugs wet, black electrodes=rich
Plugs with oily/sooty black electrodes=rich and oil being burned
Plugs that are corroded=rust
rust=water/coolant leaking into combustion chamber
Photos=
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P.S. How is your fuel system ?
http://www.daewootech.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9146

daewoomofo · Post by **daewoomofo** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:33 pm

i cant remember what all was covered before, but here are some things to check.
1. is your coil pack good?
2. do you have the correct fireing order?
3. was there any thing done to the car just prior to it not starting (even regular maintnance)?
4. is the timing belt ok?
5. how is the fuel pump (do you hear it come on, when you turn the key on)
6. how old is the fuel filter?
im sorry if these questions were already asked, i have a horrable memory.
good luck and keep us posted.
if you need me im on aim daewoomofo, or msn messanger thefink713@hotmail.com

lilgirl · Post by **lilgirl** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:45 pm

does it click? or is there any sound at all?

sounds something like what my car is doing at the moment...although, i am a bit confused about something...if its not turning over at all, how would checking the plugs, coil or fuel pump/filter fix that? maybe the Daewoo is alot more different from the cars i have had in the past...i don`t know...

Post by **PrecisionBoost** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:55 pm

lilgirl is on the right track.......... you say it doesn't turn over at all..... if that is the case your problem lies with your starter and or battery... it would have nothing to do with the engine.

If it actually does go " ReR...ReR..ReR..ReR..ReR " then it is "turning over" but not "starting" and the starter is fine so you can move on to the next probable cause.

By the way...... black spark plugs mean it's running rich or it's burning oil..... lean spark plugs will look white.

cars are pretty simple..... if they don't start at all it's either

1) No Fuel
2) Too much Fuel
3) No Air
4) No spark
5) Spark at wrong time
6) Completely screwed

Lets hope its not the last one.

Fuel and spark are easy to check........ and before I go into that I will wait to see about your reply to find out if the car is actually turning over or not.

Chris

daewoomofo · Post by **daewoomofo** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:03 am

i didnt realize that he said it wasnt turning over, im an idiot. sorry about that.

lilgirl · Post by **lilgirl** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:42 pm

no one is an idiot...i missed it the first 2 times i read the post....re-read it cause something wasn`t clicking for me...thats all...lol...

zerosilence · Post by **zerosilence** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:07 am

well it does start but it does have problems. i think its the sencor in the intake man. what sencor is that? i shot some cold air in the manifold and it started right up. i dont know whats wrong. and i wasnt excluding anyone didnt mean to offend. i just kinda have a dead lineish. my buddy is buying it bu the end of this week and i told him that i will make sure that it will run fine. hes buying it for 2g. thanks a lot

Post by **PrecisionBoost** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:22 am

I'm assuming your talking about the MAP sensor or the IAT sensor ( MAP measures pressure and is very important, IAT measures temperature and is not that important )

In startup it won't be looking at the MAP sensor as it runs everything off preset maps..... hmmmm..... but then again those preset maps would look at the IAT to determine the temperature.

If it thought it was really cold (say -40 deg ) then it would dump too much fuel in and possibly cause it not to start.

Well..... given your selling it to a buddy... if he still has problems tell him to come online.

Spider · Post by **Spider** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:27 pm

daewoomofo wrote:i didnt realize that he said it wasnt turning over, im an idiot. sorry about that.

lilgirl wrote:no one is an idiot...i missed it the first 2 times i read the post....re-read it cause something wasn`t clicking for me...thats all...lol...

An idiot would not take time to help someone.

After 60 some years of wrenchin and riding? I have come to appreciate how important a detailed description is in getting a problem analyzed.

In my humble opinion ?
This (above) is just just a misunderstanding of terms. ( "A failure to communicate!"

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Some folks are just now learning stuff that some of us have learned a while back.
So the 'new mechanics' in attempting to describe an engine that wont keep running, or runs very poorly will often use the term;
"it wont turn over"
What they really mean is; "it runs bad, wont keep running, I have to keep re-starting it, I'm running the battery down trying to keep it going" (pick any or all of the above)

Now, a 'seasoned mechanic' knows that the term; "it won't turn over" in 'mechanic-speak' really means...............

" It is a non-crank situation, this would be applicable (like for instance) if the battery were missing from the engine compartment !
Or, if there were no ignition keys !
In instances like these the correct term would be; "It won't turn over"

Zerosilence ? I am not offend at all. I just think that a open question posted to anyone that happens to read it is a much better way to get responses. Questions ask and answered in private, do not help others that may have a similar mechanical problem.
By the same token ?
I hope your not offended by this response of mine here. I too have been (and continue to be) corrected by my "mechanical-term usage"
I consider it a form of learning.

Good luck getting you car running right and sold !

zerosilence · Post by **zerosilence** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:39 pm

no i wasnt offended spider. i really think its running rich. where is the map sensor located in the manifold and how do i take it out? and i want to make it run before i sell it. he is my best friend and i dont want to sell it to him like that ya know. im gonna sell it to him for 1,750 and he said that he will smog it and tag it. i think hes getting a pretty good deal. after i sell it with the money i got from my elco im gonna buy a eclypse gsx. whats the best year for the gsx? thanks a lot

daewoomofo · Post by **daewoomofo** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:09 am

Spider wrote: Some folks are just now learning stuff that some of us have learned a while back.

bad thing is that in not a "new" mechanic. ive been working on cars, as long as i can remember. when i was a kid id help my dad in the garage build performance small block chevy engines. and as long as i have been driving ive had to fix my own cars (the joy of owning a POS [till now])

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