People inject n2o into their engines for boost, but what about releasing oxygen into the intake from a compressed cyllinder?
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Compressed oxygen cyllinder?
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Compressed oxygen cyllinder?
I'm just thinking out loud here....
People inject n2o into their engines for boost, but what about releasing oxygen into the intake from a compressed cyllinder?
Cliff
People inject n2o into their engines for boost, but what about releasing oxygen into the intake from a compressed cyllinder?
Cliff
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cliff, we will meet you at the moon in 20 years, when we all can fly into space. so long you have to wait and write postcards. why? because, o2 is very dangerous. the temperatur in the engine will explode, than the engine and than you begin your voyage like gagarin, armstrong and J.L. piccard
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cliff, we will meet you at the moon in 20 years, when we all can fly into space. so long you have to wait and write postcards. why? because, o2 is very dangerous. the temperatur in the engine will explode, than the engine and than you begin your voyage like gagarin, armstrong and J.L. piccard
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Isn't that what they do with the CRYO2 product? Releasing much cooler Oxygen in, didn't everyone decide that the change in temp can and will harm the engine... ?
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I was thinking about releasing it in very regulated, small amounts, just to add a little extra oxygen into the current fresh air intake.
Yes, I know it is dangerous and was not thinking about trying it (LOL - I'm not THAT crasy!), as I said it was just a thought that had been floating around in my head.
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Yes, I know it is dangerous and was not thinking about trying it (LOL - I'm not THAT crasy!), as I said it was just a thought that had been floating around in my head.
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I once had a neighbour who tried this same idea on his 92 Mustang LX with a 5.0 motor. He burned holes in 5 out of 8 pistons. If you cannot add more fuel to go along with the extra oxygen, you will run the motor lean and cause serious damage.
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hahaha understand your curious, but the fact is, why would anyone waste a $500 nitrous bottle on a purpose that wouldnt really give you maximum benefit?
Is best to get it professionally installed either wet or direct port, then it becomes totally worth while, lol and from what i read, they actually do feed it into the engine in the form of oxygen, but the engine/dif needs to be preped for such a sudden power hit.
Is best to get it professionally installed either wet or direct port, then it becomes totally worth while, lol and from what i read, they actually do feed it into the engine in the form of oxygen, but the engine/dif needs to be preped for such a sudden power hit.
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First off... I should mention that I've done research papers on hydrogen powered vehicles.... so I will tell you a little about what I've learned
Right now the biggest problem is storage.
Unfortunatly due to the physical density of Hydrogen it must be compressed at a very high level of PSI to get any reasonable amount of fuel into a vehicle
This causes a number of problems.... which I won't get into or this post would be about three pages long.
As far as compressed Oxygen..... adding this low temperature oxidizer would really cause problems in your engine.
Fuel needs relativly warm air in order to vaporize..... if the intake charge was -150 degrees (compressed O2) the fuel would end up as large droplets and the engine wouldn't run.
To use the compressed O2 you need to run it through a heat exchanger to get it up to a reasonable temperature ( say -20 degrees minimum)
If one were to dump in pure O2 you would also have the problem of heat expansion vs cool contraction.... the metal parts would not be happy at all... some might expand while others contract causing extreem stress to the combustion chamber components and intake.
The best source Hydrogen is to extract it from a liquid... such as methanol but this requires lots of extra weight for the device used to separate the components of the molecule. (reformer)
Nitrous is probably the best source of Oxygen that I can think of.
Many Oxygen giving molecules will cause secondary reactions in the combustion chamber which can lead to really toxic emissions or damage to the internal parts ( such as reaction with the aluminum pistons resulting in holes forming within a few minutes)
Aluminum is particularly suceptible to Oxygen.... it reacts very very strongly.
Right now the biggest problem is storage.
Unfortunatly due to the physical density of Hydrogen it must be compressed at a very high level of PSI to get any reasonable amount of fuel into a vehicle
This causes a number of problems.... which I won't get into or this post would be about three pages long.
As far as compressed Oxygen..... adding this low temperature oxidizer would really cause problems in your engine.
Fuel needs relativly warm air in order to vaporize..... if the intake charge was -150 degrees (compressed O2) the fuel would end up as large droplets and the engine wouldn't run.
To use the compressed O2 you need to run it through a heat exchanger to get it up to a reasonable temperature ( say -20 degrees minimum)
If one were to dump in pure O2 you would also have the problem of heat expansion vs cool contraction.... the metal parts would not be happy at all... some might expand while others contract causing extreem stress to the combustion chamber components and intake.
The best source Hydrogen is to extract it from a liquid... such as methanol but this requires lots of extra weight for the device used to separate the components of the molecule. (reformer)
Nitrous is probably the best source of Oxygen that I can think of.
Many Oxygen giving molecules will cause secondary reactions in the combustion chamber which can lead to really toxic emissions or damage to the internal parts ( such as reaction with the aluminum pistons resulting in holes forming within a few minutes)
Aluminum is particularly suceptible to Oxygen.... it reacts very very strongly.
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A better alternative is Hydrogen/Oxygen fuel cells.
My buddy was working for Ballard Fuel cells ( in a Damlier Chrysler project)
We should see affordable fuel cell vehicles within the next 10 years.
They are very efficent.... somewhere between two and three times more power per kilogram of fuel.
The efficency of the cells is increasing each year and hyrdrogen reformers are getting smaller and lighter all the time.
Eventually you will fill up with a liquid fuel such as Methanol or even regular gasoline.... the reformer will split off the hydrogen and send it into the fuel cell... which will then convert the energy into electricty and heat.
The electricity will run high powered electric motors which will drive your vehicle.
If the fuel cell is say 80% efficent and the electric motors are also 80% efficent then the total power that gets to the wheels will be about 64% which is about twice as efficent as the current gasoline 4 stroke engines.
So if your getting 30MPG now you will get 60MPG on a fuel cell car.
The added bonus of electric drive is that you can recover power from stopping the car.... which makes the car get something closer to 100MPG.
The cool thing is that electric motors have amazing amounts of torque right from zero RPM so an electric motor vehicle could be very fast and fun to drive while still getting 50MPG to 100MPG!!!
My buddy was working for Ballard Fuel cells ( in a Damlier Chrysler project)
We should see affordable fuel cell vehicles within the next 10 years.
They are very efficent.... somewhere between two and three times more power per kilogram of fuel.
The efficency of the cells is increasing each year and hyrdrogen reformers are getting smaller and lighter all the time.
Eventually you will fill up with a liquid fuel such as Methanol or even regular gasoline.... the reformer will split off the hydrogen and send it into the fuel cell... which will then convert the energy into electricty and heat.
The electricity will run high powered electric motors which will drive your vehicle.
If the fuel cell is say 80% efficent and the electric motors are also 80% efficent then the total power that gets to the wheels will be about 64% which is about twice as efficent as the current gasoline 4 stroke engines.
So if your getting 30MPG now you will get 60MPG on a fuel cell car.
The added bonus of electric drive is that you can recover power from stopping the car.... which makes the car get something closer to 100MPG.
The cool thing is that electric motors have amazing amounts of torque right from zero RPM so an electric motor vehicle could be very fast and fun to drive while still getting 50MPG to 100MPG!!!