Never Ending Cam Sensor Issue

[buddha102]

how about this.... how do u get that stupid cover off where the camshaft is, i got the 4 blots out, but its like stock on a pulley, wtf?

[wessock]

Lol, I think you have to take the alternator out or something. I never actually remove the cover, I just remove the 3 bolts and bend the cover back enough to get the sensor. I prop it open with a piece of wood, jam an old shirt under the gears so the sensor bolts don't fall down if I drop them, and remove the sensor that way. Pretty easy and quick once you get a system down. Space can be a little tight because of the A/C lines, but it's not the most PITA job I've done on this car by far.

[wessock]

Well, looks like I fixed it. The God damned dealer DID lie to me and never replaced the sensor apparently. Got a third sensor in there and the CEL hasn't come on in over 50 miles plus a lot of idling. Now I have to figure out what to do about this dealership. I'm really hoping the number on the cam sensor can be traced to my VIN# because that would make proving it a whole lot easier. Anybody know if that's possible? I tried calling a few places about this earlier but they either didn't service Daewoos anymore or didn't speak English well enough to understand what I was asking about. When I took it in for the recall, they said they had to check the number on the cam sensor to see if it was covered, or else I'd have to pay for the labor of checking it. Either they're complete idiots and forgot/put back the old one, or they were trying to rip me off by trying to get me to have them fix a problem that didn't exist. When I think of all the time/stress/extra gas/blood/money/etc. that I put into this problem over the past year. . . I'm beyond pissed off. Wasn't this also a fire hazard issue and that's why they actually recalled them? I'm going to call the BBB on them and possibly sue unless they kiss my ass appropriately. I'd say I'd take some free services, but I really don't think I'd trust them. Not only did they screw me over on the sensor, but they never cleared the codes when they did the recalls, left my radio disconnected and half way hanging out, and made me wait 20 mins in the parking lot after complaining about that before I did it myself and left. This is also the same place that when I went back there last week to ask about clearing the airbag code they should have cleared with the recall, that wanted to charge me $90 to clear the code.

Rothrock Allentown, PA. Stay clear of them!

[Daniel]

Glad you have your problem fixed.

Daniel

[buddha102]

good to hear too mate, u should sue em' how can u sell cars if the dealer service is bullshit ?

[RSZT4]

good to hear too mate, u should sue em' how can u sell cars if the dealer service is bullshit ?

it dosent work that way;sorry, but for future refrence you might want to tell them you want to see the old part. Also if possible watch them do it.

glad to hear its fixed tho.

[wessock]

I actually do remember asking for the old part now but they gave me some run around about their needing it for GM or something because it's a recall. Since the work was free I didn't think much of it at the time. And Believe me, I was trying to see the car getting worked on but their shop is huge, like a warehouse. My car was way on the far side with tool box towers blocking my view. At the time I was more curious of what work went into the repairs than worried they would screw something up.

And wasn't the original idea for the recall because it was a fire hazard when these cam sensors started to go? I emailed daewoous.com about the serial number on the sensor so hopefully they'll get back to me soon. Anybody know if there is some kind of warranty on recalled parts? I know the aveo sensor I bought had a 12 month GM warranty, so maybe the recalled one does too and I can go at them that route.

[RSZT4]

They have to show you the removed part if you ask for it or not, sounds kinda shady to me. I know your not suppose to be in the shop section of the dealership, but if you cant work on a my car infront of me then your A: doing something you shouldn't be or B: don't have a clue what your doing and you shouldn't be working on my car.

I can't see the sensor being a firehazard, maybe shotty workmanship, I could be wrong. But there is waranty on the recall part it.

[wessock]

Know what the warranty is by any chance?

found this googling: "Only certain cam sensors are under the recall...only certain ones have the potential to catch fire. What the technician has to do is pull out the cam sensor and check the lot # on the part. If it falls within a certain range, then it gets replaced under the recall. If not, then you would have to pay for it if it has failed and is not within the lot numbers. All parts have lot numbers to help determine when and who made a specific part. I think Daewoo got a bad batch of cam sensors and some were installed in the cars when they were first produced and some were used as replacement parts.

just because your light is on due to a faulty cam sensor does not mean it gets replaced under the recall. If it has failed, and not part of the recall, then you have to pay for it if you want it fixed."

[wessock]

Ok, think I have a way of proving for sure if they did it or not. More Googling: "Recall Summary - ON CERTAIN PASSENGER VEHICLES, THE CAMSHAFT POSITION SENSOR MAY MELT RESULTING IN A BURNING SMELL AND VISIBLE SMOKE, WHICH MAY SUBSEQUENTLY LEAD TO THE MELTING OF THE CAMSHAFT COVER AND THE CAMSHAFT POSITION SENSOR WIRE HARNESS.

Consequence
THIS COULD POSSIBLY CAUSE AN UNDERHOOD FIRE.

Remedy
DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE CAMSHAFT POSITION SENSORS AND INSTALL AN ADDITIONAL FUSE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON SEPTEMBER 7, 2004. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT DAEWOO AT 1-877-362-1234, OPTION 6, OR FIND A LOCAL DEALER THROUGH THEIR WEBSITE AT WWW.DAEWOOUS.COM.

So anybody know where and what this additional fuse looks like? Considering they never disconnected the battery I know they didn't hook that up either, but have no idea what I'm looking for.

[RSZT4]

it would probably just be a fuseable link hooked to one side of the CPS. Basically just making their lives easier and your car becoming a wiring nightmare if something goes wrong. Basically they are just preventing to much power to get to the CPS so if there is a voltage spike like what is happening with some of them then it will blow the fuse instead of blowing the CPS.

[wessock]

Well there was def nothing like that. Anybody know specifically what is supposed to be there, or even better yet, have pictures?

[jidasas]

Under that recall they had a section of vin numbers that were effected. My vin number was not in the lot therefore I had to pay for mine. they never even had to look at the cam sensor. I'll see if I still have my old letter cause it lists the starting and ending vin numbers and you can see if yours is between those. If not then they would not have installed a fuse.
If I remember correctly, if your vin number is after the last one on the list then the cps had fuse installed in the factory wiring system.
Jimmy

[wessock]

Yeah my Vin # was affected but not all VINs in the range had an affected sensor. I guess they only check the sensor if your car falls within the VIN range. The number on the sensor is what determines if they cover it for the recall, not the VIN itself. You can check your recall status on daewoous.com The invoice I have from the recall "work" they did also lists the parts for the job with a "fuse kit" and "retainer-corru" listed. I can't find any info online wbout what they look like and where they are though.

[RSZT4]

the fuse link will be one of the following depending on the dealership: